משתמש:LazyLemon\צרפתית על עברית באנגלית

== Some on He: like to some extent only the English articles == the others being ' ' ' of the shit ' ' ', if one includes/understands well what I have just found on my page of discussion: stop creating interwikis from the Hebrew Wikipedia to so many languages. Our readers are interested only in the English Wikipedia. Thanks. -- Roybb95 Oct. 12, 2004 to 14:41 (CEST) < s>Conclusion: they can always run so that I add a bond towards their ' ' ' wiki raciste' ' ' [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 14:59 (CEST) One should undoubtedly also remove those which already exist. [ [ Utilisateur:Ratigan|Ratigan ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:12 (CEST) In the same spirit, I ask, if this attitude is not quickly revised, the suppression of all the interwikis existing on Fr: carrying out towards articles or pages of this wiki < s>raciste. Perhaps you will find that I butt against a detail, always is it that I find this attitude scandalous, and that I have just let know in Jimbo Wales (it will do what it will want of this opinion) that "I think this incompatible is attitude with the spirit of the wiki." (sorry for my English) [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:18 (CEST):Et all the French are racist, it is enough to read what you say to include/understand it:) you do not believe that you generalize a little too much, there??|Ryo ] ] [ [ Utilisateur:Ryo Discussion|< small>(XYZ) ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:21 (CEST)::Navré, but if they actually made a decision of this kind, it is the spirit even wiki which is called into question, with the bonds interwikis which were encouraged up to now, ' ' ' with the last news ' ' '. In addition, I do not see what the mention of the "French" in this discussion comes to do. It is a question of a wiki < s>qui ' ' ' in which ' ' ', if one believes of it what has been just written (' ' ' and recent clarification ), < s>refuse the communication ' ' ' where some plan to refuse the communication ' ' ' with the wikis other than anglophone. It is serious. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:33 (CEST) (with corrections and posterior additions in fat [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 18:43 (CEST)):Tu do not butt against a detail. It is the operation even of Wiki that this imbecile (I weigh my words) calls into question. In what relates to me, if there is not a fast modification of this attitude I will undertake to remove the bonds concerned when I see one of them. [ [ Utilisateur:Ratigan|Ratigan ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:25 (CEST) the Hebrew articles seem to be provided in interwikis. Perhaps is not delirious it of an individual? [ [ Utilisateur:Marc Mongenet|Marc Mongenet ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:53 (CEST) Ma' heart Michu, if you could stop folding back your sourness on the whole of the French-speaking wikipédia to least hangs with somebody. After very if He community: does not want others interwikis... If you want to push the vice one until the end I propose you to launch club-footed the interwiki on all the He articles:o) [ [ Utilisateur:Hashar|Ashar Voultoiz ] ]|[ [ Utilisateur:Hashar Discussion|@ ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:56 (CEST):Arrête with sourness. When to crown the whole, I find one implicit charge of vandalism in my page of discussion , you would not like in more than I take that with the smile, not? [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:02 (CEST): If you call that a charge of vandalism, then there is not the same idea of vandalism! Since Môsieur says to you that readers of the wiki He: for the majority only English includes/understands! [ [ Utilisateur:Mathounette|Mathounette ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:09 (CEST)::Navré, but it "required", without valid reason other that a coincidence of time, if I had modified his user page in an incorrect way. Initially in my page of discussion [ http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Discussion_Utilisateur:Ma%27ame_Michu&diff=951549&oldid=951512 ] ("Are you the anonymous to use that editd my to use page? First of all, that was my to use page, not talk page") then in his (did not edict your to use page ) where it withdraws its preceding insinuation vaguely. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to the 16:23 (CEST):: Mister in question is only one somebody among a community (see what you accepted of the words of Foenyx, Mathounette), therefore, which does know knowledge of languages of the others he.users? [ [ Utilisateur:Sebjarod|sebjd ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:12 (CEST) It is not certe not a detail, but to conclude on racism from a community because of the reaction of some is quite as serious. [ [ Utilisateur:FoeNyx|?????]] Oct. 12, 2004 to 15:59 (CEST): Very similar that [ [ Utilisateur:FoeNyx|?????]] [ [ Utilisateur:Mathounette|Mathounette ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:03 (CEST) I included/understood the message perfectly. I disturb with my questions. I thus invite you to vote the removal of my pages user, prelude to the suppression of my account, even if it is not in the uses. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:23 (CEST): [ [ Mdr ] ], I had not laughed yet today. You thought of the next nickname that you will use while returning? [ [ Utilisateur:Hashar|Ashar Voultoiz ] ]|[ [ Utilisateur:Hashar Discussion|@ ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:29 (CEST)::Pour the moment, I did not leave yet. I ask that one put oneself in agreement with the real behavior of some here, which is to mean with somebody who it is importunate, and which its questions disturb. Believe me, if I practised Hebrew, I would be to go to ask explanations elsewhere. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:43 (CEST): Ma' heart Michu why propose your page with the suppression? "< jwales > I wonder why this is one pages to Be deleted? ". Do not carry you like that, you leashes not time with people to clear up the situation. [ [ Utilisateur:FoeNyx|?????]] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:32 (CEST) [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ], imagines the image that was shoed a foreign wikipédien of French-speaking Wikipedia if it had to make only with one good large troll well from on our premises! Not, I do not aim anybody;o). It is perhaps the same thing with ' ' ' this ' ' ' user (not representative forcing). The significant one would be to know the choice of the community of this Wikipédia. So really they do not want of other interwiki that the anglophone articles it is especially so much worse for them. [ [ Utilisateur:Aoineko|A?ineko ] ] [ [ Utilisateur:Aoineko Discussion|? ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 16:46 (CEST) PS: If you want to do the nerves, you have that to add all to them the interwiki Arab;o):Imagines you that if I did not make a hay, somebody would get information to check the veracity of the thing? I am quite certain that not. Whereas there, there is probably somebody for fouiner a little and to check if there is really a decision in the direction of what was brought back to me (and which, repeat it with any chance, goes against the spirit even of the wiki). Perhaps one is likely to know what it is really. I do not know if this "decision" is real, it is in any case completely plausible. And I am struck to see that some here seem to find perfectly this assumption "alleviating". And that others seem to consider that to point out a guiding principle of the wiki (universality) are connected with troll. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 17:00 (CEST)::C' is certainly a decision idiot, but good, from there to find it "scandalous"... Each one done a little what he wants in his wiki, and one would not like too much to see our small buddies coming to give us lessons on the internal decisions to the wiki Fr: . And then one can find arguments: bonds towards pages of 2 lines can with long the décrédibiliser the encyclopaedia, or to harm the site of the article in the search engines (I wonder whether the quality of the bonds on each page does not increase the google-ranking...). You can as to say as if nobody speaks septentrional Cantonese, any bond that you mets will to be made on faith of another wiki, which took as a starting point another wiki, who took as a starting point another wiki, etc. Thus in fact, you do not have a priori any means of checking the relevance of your bonds. I think for example that a vandalized page could perdurer a long time on a wiki not attended. [ [ Utilisateur:Arnaudus|Arnaudus ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 17:09 (CEST):::Il has there just a small nuance: the interwikis are not done everything by a script which will aspire them on the others wikis. It is perfectly possible (I know some which font/faisaient it) to go to visit each page, to check a minimum their relevance (sometimes difficult with the not-Latin writings, but one arrives there, by comparing at the same time the internal bonds and the external bonds) and, to finish, to bring up to date the interwikis of all the visited pages < u>lorsque the interwiki is pertinent. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 17:30 (CEST):::J' forgot: I make a clear difference between what in my opinion concerns the "internal kitchen" (for example, the order in which are presented the interwikis, English in first ' ' ' on He: ' ' ' had that been previously specified to me, in a pleasant way? and on hu:) and the principle (even not-writing) of communication between all the Wikipedia projects. If one of the wikis can deviate some, what good is it to continue the communication between the wikis? [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 17:36 (CEST) Dear Ladies and Gentlemen! I would like to clarify has few moments. Presntly there is No official policy one Hebrew wikipedia to international refrain from links in any form. Since the drank resulting was raised, the discussion is being held, and it' S now too early to predict its results. The decision to remove some interwiki links created by Ma' heart Michu and its explanation reflect solely the opinion of the to use who did it, and does not represent the majority of the Hebrew wikipedia. [ [:he:?????:Iorsh|Iorsh ] ] [ [ Utilisateur:132.68.1.29|132.68.1.29] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 18:24 (CEST):Je take good note. But the simple fact that this decision can be would not be this that under consideration on a wiki remains worrying nevertheless. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 18:43 (CEST)::A my opinion it is a discussion which should be continued on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel I put at it a summary [ [ Utilisateur:Ske|ske ] ]:::Tu knew < u>aller with the essentiel and I am happy. My English is too poor besides so that I can build something of light like your two sentences of commentaire/conclusion personnel(le). [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 19:10 (CEST)::::Si I can allow myself, my interpretation of the intervention of [ [:he:?????:Iorsh|Iorsh ] ] lets me think that the debate exists ONLY because it was initiated by this history, and that there did not exist as a preliminary. Exactly in the same way and under the same conditions as its appearance here. My two hundreds. [ [ Utilisateur:Notafish|notafish [ [ Utilisateur:Notafish Discussion|}<';>]]]] Oct. 12, 2004 to 19:35 (CEST):::::Cela means thus that the wikipédia Hebrew was fast to react, and thus is rather against these dealing (those of Roybb95 by exemple). -- [[Utilisateur:Dav 59|David ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 19:45 (CEST): Incidentally, it seems to to me that with significant immigration in Israel, a significant share of the Hebraic speakers are neither of Hebraic mother tongue, nor English. The fact that the majority of them is not ' ' interested parties with another thing which English appears ridiculous me: I often added interwikis on the Hebraic wiki and there had never been problem: Let us not forget that "some" does not imply "tous" inevitably... [[Utilisateur:Jyp|Jyp ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 20:05 (CEST) I am not informed of this business in detail, but I would like to make a remark while hoping to have included/understood well what occurs: the suppression of the interwikis relates to all the communities and cannot be left with the decision of only one. It would be quite simply absurd and anti-encyclopaedic, an insult made to the contributors of all the wikis, even (and especially perhaps) most modest. [ [ Utilisateur:Caton|Caton ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 20:29 (CEST):D' as much more than, for example, the choice to place or not interwikis worms of the artificial languages made klui-même the object of [ [:meta:Artificial languages equal rights|"solemn" votes on meta: ] ]. One can reasonably suppose that if the very whole community (at least small fraction which attends meta:) was invited to come to a conclusion about the very marginal case of the klingon, it should go from there in the same way, with stronger reason, for "significant" languages differently more (in a number of speakers and users). It is, like said it Caton, an insult made with small initially the wikis but still, on behalf of those which imagine that (and even those which would tolerate it without reacting), a treason of the spirit of the wiki. Not less. [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 20:59 (CEST) One should not leave to the quarter turn like that, but rather to reflect, I do not think that Israelis are against France, and speech of racism, Israel is a country in war, s?il existed Wiki in 1914 think you are stupid that some would not be against the realization of bond with German Wiki? not to want THAT the bonds towards English Wiki is to avoid the contact with certain languages whose certain countries still do not recognize the existence of israel and want even its destruction..(Je does not speak there about France) of course, I do not guarantee this behavior, but I think that it is the raison.[[Utilisateur:Pol|Pol. ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 21:21 (CEST):Ah that appears very logical (very puerile, but very logical). They is really unhappy which wikipédia can evolve/move because of political reasons. Now, all the languages are international (in the direction where one cannot make equivalence country < - > language), and there is really no reason to guarantee such practices. [ [ Utilisateur:Arnaudus|Did Arnaudus ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 21:54 (CEST)::N?était it not envisaged another structure (separate) on the card for l?interwiki? There it is enough not to put a field for He. [ [ Utilisateur:Fafnir|Fafnir ] ] Oct. 12, 2004 to 22:17 (CEST) I courageously put the question about He and request for L contributes to Dannyisme (which speaks). [ [ Utilisateur:Anthere|Can Anthere ] ]:initiative much more judicious than to discuss it here, you keep us informed stp? [ [ Utilisateur:Phe|phe ] ] Oct. 13, 2004 to 00:32 (CEST) Danny comes D to arrive. it reads the problem. But thanks to a machine translation, we could see a favorable vote has L posting of all the bonds. English motion only does not gain any vote. High hearts: -) [ [ Utilisateur:Anthere|Anthere ] ]:Une machine translation (Hebrew with English) is with [ [ meta:User:Angela/Hebrew ] ]. [ [ Utilisateur:Angela|Does Angela ] ] Oct. 13, 2004 to 01:06 (CEST)::Il have a translation of the translation there? I am not too hefty man in English, but ' ' Not Wikipedia Word "should". Impossible to coerce has No One. does not appear limpid to me...: -) [ [ Utilisateur:Arnaudus|Arnaudus ] ] Oct. 13, 2004 to 09:59 (CEST) I have the impression that we were victim of an international troll. An individual put himself to give us stupid orders, be-saying in the name of Hebrew Wikipédia, and we failed to make ' ' a casus belli of it ' '. Fortunately how many the polemic of this kind which fleusrissent regularly in our bar are not internationalized a kind! Attention also with abusive generalizations: a racist on a wiki does not mean that it is about a racist wiki. Or then, the French wikipédia would be raëlienne; -) -- [[Utilisateur:Alain Caraco|Alain Caraco ] ] Oct. 13, 2004 to 14:26 (CEST):Un word of realignment: consultation of [ [ the:he:????????:?????|Hebrew bar ] ] (translated and retranscribed remotely at [ [:m:User:Angela/Hebrew|Angela ] ] shows all the same that Roybb95 is not if insulated that one wants to say it well: 13 votes to bind all interwikis, 4 votes to bind only the English interwiki, 1 vote to bind only the English interwiki and a selection (to be determined) others interwikis. The question annexes on the place of the English interwiki, at the head or not, being here of little importance. At the present time, on the 18 votes expressed out of the first 3 choices, that made nevertheless a percentage of 22,22 % for the most restrictive choice (and still, Roybb95 does not seem to have intervened? at least under this identity? in this vote). It is certainly reassuring, but not as much as that: index of frilosity, return to oneself? This known as, it would be now astonishing that the tendency is reversed. The fact remains that I wonder whether this "takeover by force" would not have passed discreetly and imperceptibly in the m?urs if... [ [ Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|Ma' heart Michu ] ]|[ [ Discussion Utilisateur:Ma' heart Michu|To discuss ] ] Oct. 13, 2004 to 15:13 (CEST)