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ההרשמה בקישור לעיל. [[משתמש:Deror avi|דרור]] - [[שיחת משתמש:Deror avi|שיחה]] 14:42, 18 ביולי 2013 (IDT)
== Does the community of he-wiki have problems with the visual editor? ==
Hello all, I write this message to inform you about the [[ויקיפדיה:עורך חזותי|visual editor]] and the problems other Wikipedias have with it, so that the Hebrew speaking community can inform themselves and decide if this is a concern for this Wikipedia as well or not.
On the Dutch community, most users really like the idea of getting a visual editor. A visual editor may help inexperienced (new) users or users who experience the wikisyntax as difficult to edit. In the past weeks we have tested the visual editor and we noticed big problems that concern the majority of the articles. We reported all these problems a month ago. The day before yesterday we heard that the developers plan to launch the visual editor for all logged in as anonymous users on the Dutch Wikipedia (nl-wiki) coming Monday 22 July. We checked again all problems we reported and noticed that all these articles still have major problems in the visual editor. The second concern we have is the user friendliness of the current visual editor, sure most of the basic edits work fine with it, but the more difficult edits (where this piece of software is designed for!) are certainly not user friendly. Our third concern are the templates. On the Dutch Wikipedia we have been working hard to make and keep almost all templates as easy as possible to edit and change for most users ([[KISS|KISS principle]]), so that as many as users can update templates. The coding the visual editor requires for editing templates in articles makes it impossible for regular users to update those templates any longer. Something that is unacceptable to us. Software should make editing easier, not more difficult. All the problems with the software will cause thousands of bad edits which other users can clean up afterwards. We think software should make the workload less in stead of enlarging it. As a result of all problems we have started a voting to hide the visual editor until the problems are solved. A big majority is in favour.
In the past weeks, the visual editor was already launched to the English Wikipedia. Many many many problems occurred and are still occurring, like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Foxx&curid=325191&diff=564713885&oldid=564713637 this] and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Following_Story&diff=564735558&oldid=564703711 this]. On thousands of articles this goes wrong. As result of all these problems the community has set up an comment page at [[:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/RFC]]. Someone summarizes it with: "''It's a very good [[:en:Software_release_life_cycle#Stages_of_development|alpha]], but it should never have been launched outside of a test deployment.''"
From the beginning the developer team promised all communities to make it possible for all users to opt-out the software if they do not want to use it. With the launch on the English Wikipedia it appeared that the opt-out was removed. The only thing users can do is hide the visual editor for themselves via the common.js. This means that everyone, including those users who do not want to use the visual editor, have to deal with an extra layer of code that is loaded each time you visit a page and can't be switched off.
The community of the Dutch Wikipedia want the developers to delay the launch of the visual editor until all big issues and concerns are solved. The Dutch community does not want to clean up the mess the visual editor produces on all these thousands of articles. Yes, most users like the idea of a visual editor, but that must be one which doesn't cause problems and really helps to make editing easier. As the visual editor is not yet ready to be deployed, and no replies have been received from the developers, the community will hide the visual editor (using [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-oldeditor.js|this]] in [[MediaWiki:Common.js|here]]) (and make an opt-in for those who wish to use/test it) to prevent problems. (De facto this means that the current opt-in is restored back.) It will give a signal to the developers/Wikimedia Foundation that the current deployment is unacceptable to the Dutch community and the community feels itself ignored and forced to cope with the problems we did not cause.
I noticed that also he-wiki is scheduled to get launched the visual editor coming Monday 22 July. I really doubt that seeing the problems on the English Wikipedia and the Dutch Wikipedia, that the launch here will be without major issues.
It is up to the local community to check for problems and to ask themselves if this acceptable to you or not? I would also suggest you test the visual editor with editing articles (like the ones which use the [[Special:MostLinkedTemplates|most used templates]] to see if they all work), in particular the ones with tables, templates and references.
If you wish to translate this message, please do, so that more users can understand what they have to deal with coming Monday and later.
If you want to know more about the situation on nl-wiki, please ask. Greetings - [[משתמש:Romaine|Romaine]] - [[שיחת משתמש:Romaine|שיחה]] 18:59, 19 ביולי 2013 (IDT)
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